who doesn’t know what now?

lol i feel like i’ve been suddenly cast into an argument i didn’t realize was gonna happen, nor do i understand why i’ve been roped into it. i did not say, nor mean to imply that i thought you were denying the famine happened. you very clearly stated that you thought no one believes that it didn’t happen. i was just pointing out that in fact, some do. my first comment was in response to bubblybubbles, trying to figure out their take. you may think no one would deny that the famine happened, but it seemed like bubbles might think we’re both gullible rubes for thinking it did.

i also rather object to your ‘very narrow frame of view’ comment. that was just uncalled for. and for what? because i’m trying to learn about stuff and am willing to admit i don’t know everything?

some do, actually.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holodomor_denial

it seems like the arguments that it was a genocide hinge on more than just the famine itself. a lot of people consider genocide to encompass more than just murdering people, but also the targeted destruction of a people’s culture.

from what i’ve read, if the famine wasn’t deliberately engineered, then it was certainly a world-class bungle, where stalin et al made consistently stupid decisions that made the situation worse. they didn’t need to enact and enforce laws preventing people from gathering leftover grain left in the fields. they didn’t need to prevent starving people from leaving their home towns in search of better conditions. they didn’t need to focus on exporting food while their own people resorted to cannibalism. they didn’t need to demand so much tribute, even going door to door taking food from people’s cupboards, and taking from the seeds set aside for next years planting.

i can totally get suspecting malice, rather than accepting that that level of incompetence was genuine. while i haven’t personally studied the subject enough to have any concrete conclusions, the genocide question seems less cut and dry than you make it out to be.

debunked? are you arguing that it wasn’t a genocide, or are you suggesting it straight up didn’t happen?

that is a very high bar, as they say in the limbo biz.

honestly, i think linux is there. like, at this point, i don’t think it’s linux’s own lack of merits holding it back, but solely the lack of support from software companies.

both on occasion, but i brush my teeth at least once or twice a day, while i only shower like once a week usually. so it is most often the sink.

39 is really fucking with me. i swear i’m not a robot, i’m just autistic. kind of embarrassing that the math one was easier than ‘use your face to express basic human emotions’ for me.