This is about people making up laws which didn’t exist before to confiscate property. The EU did not have any laws about selling off Russian assets if they invaded Ukraine.
It doesn’t excuse Russia’s actions but it does invalidate Europe stealing Russia’s money for any reason related to “international law” or “human rights”.
Do you have this same problem with the Nuremburg Trials?
Russia dun goofed in Ukraine.
They are already well into the Finding Out portion, and having their financial assets seized/frozen is only part of that
TBH I haven’t read deeply into the details, but my understanding is that what’s actually being taken/removed/paid from this accounts is only the gains/interest. They accounts are “frozen” meaning that their appreciation is frozen — the principal balance stays the same from the date of the freeze. However, the investments still produce income, and this is what’s being seized. I think this is the typical format, and the process is not at all unique to Russia or the conflict that they started.
It’s in not comparable to Nuremberg. The problem here is the selective application. They aren’t upholding any international order. Israel is doing the same and not even getting any sanctions. They are simply stealing money from their adversaries.
It absolutely is comparable. Nuremburg was an EXTREMELY selective application.
Sometimes, a state/government/group takes actions that are so objectionable that other people want to punish them, and collectively they decide that it’s okay to make up a new rule and apply it retroactively.
That was how Nuremburg happened, and now it has happened again. We can argue if it was justified or not, or about the details of implementation.
You may be salty that Israel appears to be getting away with its bad behavior, but the two things really are not connected
Russia has Fucked Up (by failing to achieve their SMO goals in three days) and then they have Doubled Down (by failing to quit while they were ahead) and now, of course as the kids do like to say, they are Finding Out. (a little bit at least)
Will it matter? Who knows?
But just today Lukoil agreed to sell off all of their overseas assets, and I’m guessing the buyers got a steal. This won’t bring about regime change directly, but domestic politics in Russia are tense. Unanswered anti-putin protests in st Petersburg would have been unthinkable a year ago
Israel killed more women and children in two months than Russia did in two years. Which is even more impressive because Palestine is way smaller than Ukraine.
Russia makes less than 3% civilian casualties. Israel at least 80% and probably way more.
This doesn’t make Russia’s invasion good but at leas they’re not intentionally massacring the entirity of Ukraine Holocaust style.
But yes if Europe sanctioned both then I wouldn’t complain about it. The selective application is the problem.
Do you understand what an example is?
It’s a bad example since they can’t be compared
This is about people making up laws which didn’t exist before to confiscate property. The EU did not have any laws about selling off Russian assets if they invaded Ukraine.
Might not be a law, but most people know that if you do bad shit, bad shit happens
It doesn’t for Israel.
And that is a shame. And I hope that changes. But it does not excuse Russia’s actions
Europe actively and materially supports Israel
It doesn’t excuse Russia’s actions but it does invalidate Europe stealing Russia’s money for any reason related to “international law” or “human rights”.
That’s never been the case for Europe, you rampage all over the world
Do you have this same problem with the Nuremburg Trials?
Russia dun goofed in Ukraine.
They are already well into the Finding Out portion, and having their financial assets seized/frozen is only part of that
TBH I haven’t read deeply into the details, but my understanding is that what’s actually being taken/removed/paid from this accounts is only the gains/interest. They accounts are “frozen” meaning that their appreciation is frozen — the principal balance stays the same from the date of the freeze. However, the investments still produce income, and this is what’s being seized. I think this is the typical format, and the process is not at all unique to Russia or the conflict that they started.
It’s in not comparable to Nuremberg. The problem here is the selective application. They aren’t upholding any international order. Israel is doing the same and not even getting any sanctions. They are simply stealing money from their adversaries.
Why is your argument “but they did it”? Ignore the others and be good. You should strive to be better
The argument is my username.
It absolutely is comparable. Nuremburg was an EXTREMELY selective application.
Sometimes, a state/government/group takes actions that are so objectionable that other people want to punish them, and collectively they decide that it’s okay to make up a new rule and apply it retroactively.
That was how Nuremburg happened, and now it has happened again. We can argue if it was justified or not, or about the details of implementation.
You may be salty that Israel appears to be getting away with its bad behavior, but the two things really are not connected
Russia has Fucked Up (by failing to achieve their SMO goals in three days) and then they have Doubled Down (by failing to quit while they were ahead) and now, of course as the kids do like to say, they are Finding Out. (a little bit at least)
Will it matter? Who knows?
But just today Lukoil agreed to sell off all of their overseas assets, and I’m guessing the buyers got a steal. This won’t bring about regime change directly, but domestic politics in Russia are tense. Unanswered anti-putin protests in st Petersburg would have been unthinkable a year ago
What Israel is doing is objectively far worse than what Russia is doing.
That is an opinion that some people share.
I don’t think they are easily compared. Different forms of the same general crime against humanity.
Both are pretty awful, but I’m not sure that it’s a contest about which has a greater degree of awfulness.
I’d support similar economic treatment of Israel’s overseas financial holdings though.
Wouldn’t that be something to see! Haha it’s fun to think about at least.
Israel not being held accountable for it’s shitty behavior doesn’t mean Russia should get a free pass
(Insert porque no los dos meme)
*Edited to expand initial reaction
Israel killed more women and children in two months than Russia did in two years. Which is even more impressive because Palestine is way smaller than Ukraine.
Russia makes less than 3% civilian casualties. Israel at least 80% and probably way more.
This doesn’t make Russia’s invasion good but at leas they’re not intentionally massacring the entirity of Ukraine Holocaust style.
But yes if Europe sanctioned both then I wouldn’t complain about it. The selective application is the problem.