If they can, they will. That’s the only rule you need to know about business and politics.
Ok time for everyone to dress like ice agents then. Masks for all.
I’m not entirely sure, but modern cameras can see through fabric, so I’m afraid you’ll have to buy a mask made of special materials.
So hypothetically, what if a bunch of protestors showed up with IC E shirts/pants/etc… without license plates and started to protest? How would they know who was who at that point?
It doesn’t even look that hard to do given how much memorabilia there is online.
Well, Halloween just happened, so there are probably convincing costumes available on discount. Just saying…
They use facial recognition on us while we are not allowed to see their faces.
These guys need de-masking.
Eh, I’m fine with them wearing masks. I’m not fine with them breaking the law and not being accountable. If they wear masks (or even if they don’t), they need to be ready to show ID and recite their badge number.
No, they are law enforcement and should be readily identifiable the community they serve. Including their face. Also being masked makes it harder for the people they’re interacting with to understand what they’re saying. They lose all the non-verbal communication that comes from the face. Them being masked has absolutely zero upside to the public.
Including their face.
I don’t think this is necessary. What does seeing an officer’s face do that a name and badge number doesn’t? What about undercover cops? What about the winter when it’s cold?
I think it should only be required that they declare on what authority they’re acting when making official actions, like a stop, detainment, or arrest. They should give their name and badge number upon request, in a form that works for the asker (written or verbal, asker’s preference).
If we ban law enforcement from wearing masks, that opens the door to banning masks in public. I get that police should follow higher standards (I’m absolutely in favor of ending qualified immunity), but IMO the rules should merely be that police must self identify in a way the public knows they’re legitimate law enforcement when using the authority of their position.
Witnesses who are too far away to see their identification can still see their face to ID them. Undercover cops are a different situation than what ICE is doing and really shouldn’t be making arrests IMO. In winter they can take their mask off to interact with people.
If we ban law enforcement from wearing masks, that opens the door to banning masks in public.
It doesn’t. The general public doesn’t need to be identifiable at all times like cops do.
Witnesses who are too far away to see their identification can still see their face to ID them.
Sure, I just don’t think that’s a reasonable thing to require at all times.
Instead, the public should be free to approach to a safe distance to film, and then attempt to talk with law enforcement when safe. A police officer is required to identify themselves to the suspect due to the fourth amendment. Whether they are required to identify themselves to the public is up to local law, court precedent, and agency policy.
The general public doesn’t need to be identifiable at all times like cops do.
Neither do. Police only need to be identifiable when using their authority, such as when making an arrest or dealing with protests, and in the latter case, only agency affiliation is necessary.
Sure, I just don’t think that’s a reasonable thing to require at all times.
It is. There’s literally no reason they ever need to be masked.
Neither do. Police only need to be identifiable when using their authority, such as when making an arrest or dealing with protests, and in the latter case, only agency affiliation is necessary.
Disagree. Police serve the public. If they are working they should all be identifiable so they can’t step out of line. Especially during protests. Otherwise we end up with priest getting shot in the eyes with pepper rounds.
There’s literally no reason they ever need to be masked.
Cops have rights too. If an officer wants to wear a mask, I don’t see any reason to deny them that. They must, however, identify themselves, the risk of someone pretending to be law enforcement is too great.
Police serve the public. If they are working they should all be identifiable
Agreed, I just don’t think masks are the issue here. IMO, officers involved in protest duty should have their badge number on their uniform in a big enough font for a camera to pick up. Likewise, body cameras should be on and recording the entire time.
They need lifetimes in prison for treason and domestic terrorism.
We will never get there while they are anonymous. The path to prison starts with de-masking.
You can’t prosecute what has no identification.
Every single one of them has a timecard they’re punching with a name, collective punishment against the entire agency should be on the table.
Even those sitting back behind a desk pushing paperwork are enabling the thugs in the streets.
I consent
Does the US legal system still exist in any sense that it should in a democracy?
I ask because I don’t understand how all this is possible in a constitutional state: Masked brutes who arbitrarily kidnap people on the open street without even identifying themselves, people who are interned without due process and then often simply disappear without a trace in the administrative system, total surveillance without cause, and many other massive violations that the US legal system seems to enable rather than prevent, as it should.
All of this already looks very much like a dictatorship to me, i.e., an unjust state, as none of this can be possible with a democratic constitution - at least not with one that is actually upheld by the legal system.
It does but we’re in an act first ask questions later regime.
Yup, it just takes forever to get anything through the courts. We’re just now getting to the tariff nonsense, for example.
