• Itdidnttrickledown@lemmy.world
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    15 hours ago

    Those that lack empathy hate that people are right about their hidden feelings. The reason for that is empathy is real and no amount of shade thrown on it negates that.

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      11 hours ago

      Emotional abuse is real too. This isn’t mindreading. It’s not prediction. It’s anticipation. And it’s emotionally discarding the people around you.

      Empathy isn’t even part of what this is the moment you are throwing or feeling any shade.

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        3 hours ago

        Any empath who has familiarity enough with it will acknowledge that, like any other thing you see externally, mistakes can be made. With empathy, those can go pretty deep, too.

        That said, I’d no more discard empathy than I would vision, and I’m not fool enough to discard a sense just because I’m not always right about how I interpret it.

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      12 hours ago

      I think that most people dislike having someone point out how they’re really feeling. At least initially

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        11 hours ago

        https://www.counselinglibrary.org/images/PDF_Documents/CBT_Handouts/10_Forms_of_Twisted_Thinking.pdf

        Mind reading and prediction is often a sign of anxiety. It’s also listed as a way to violently communicate.

        It’s common pattern in people who have been raised in an abusive environment who have been expected to anticipate everything about an abusive loved one who doesnt communicate openly and with respect.

        As a result this can lead the person who is ‘mindreading’ (better description is anticipating) as removing agency around loved ones and it is a form of manipulation where discount a person from being able to give input.

        So if you’re finding a lot of people are disliking something you’re doing(you’ve now admitted this, good for you! First step is always admittance! It’s a big step!) They are unhappy with how you are treating them as it is unfair and is a form of emotional abuse.

        https://www.cnvc.org/

        Just some references here in case you want to make an actual change for the better around the people you love.

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          3 hours ago

          Asserting that peoples behaviors are intrinsically violent can also be a violent means of communication. Not that are shouldn’t respond to problematic behaviors - and there are circumstances that are as you describe.

          No, you didn’t say it was always violent, but for a pattern of thinking and feeling that is so common, so useful, and so beneficial in so many ways, I don’t think there wholesale focus on how bad it is is warranted.

          Obviously, as with most mentalities, there are benefits and detriments to it. But there are a lot of people that perform model synchronization by verifying the predictive capacity of the model they hold (whether or not they think of that progress consciously). It’s a means of getting on the same page. Sometimes it’s lovey-dovey. Sometimes it’s practical. Sometimes it’s controlling and problematic. But, by no means is it always, or even generally, violent.

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            9 hours ago

            You offered your own prediction on what it is you think others dislike. That’s an assumption.