We know that you and I wouldn’t exist here and now.
We don’t know what would have been, that’s the point. We only know what “happened”, there’s literally no way to know what could or would have happened. Since we don’t really know, we can’t just say it wouldn’t be the same. I could just as well as an infinite number of other things could.
To me, we can say that different things would result in different outcomes.
Here, if eve hadnt eaten of the fruit, they would still be in the garden of Eden. I don’t know if you’ve looked around but this isn’t the garden of Eden and there are more than 2 people in existence. To me, that’s actually different to what we have now.
Whose to say that only Eve could have eaten the fruit. Maybe Adam would’ve eventually be tempted, or maybe they would’ve left on their own, or maybe they would’ve been banished for something else. There’s way too many unknowables to say that something could or couldn’t happen.
Having a sample of one doesn’t say much about the infinite set possibilities. So saying things would be different is just wrong. They could be different and most probably would, but there is no way to guarantee it. It’s unprovable.
This is all assuming we accept the faith based interpretation. If we do not Adam and Eve are just as fictional as Harry Potter and Frodo Bagins, and say nothing about what could’ve happened.
I said eve because she is the one who ate it. It doesn’t matter if it was Adam or eve, only that it was eaten.
There was only one rule in the story. So, no, there was nothing else for which they could be banished.
Honestly, if you really need to die on the hill that completely different things could result in the exact same outcome, despite the literal deviations, then be my guest.
If we’re taking God’s word for it all, then what is now was the preordained outcome of that chess master’s plan.
For all we know a biblically accurate God is doing Xanatos Speed Chess to ensure that the current state of the world is the one true outcome regardless of what happens.
Besides, as we all know from science - there are a lot of different ways to end up with the same end result.
I mean, if you cast your mind back to the story, God had no idea that they had done it, until he saw them. This was yahweeh before he was later made into the omnificent version. He fully intended to keep them there, as is.
As we also all know from science, the more different variables we add, the less likely that will be. Even just a few, let alone the billions of tiny changes it would be if it happened even a day later. It would like the butterfly effect but infinitely greater.
There are some, perhaps somewhat unorthodox, Christian theologies that hold that the Old Testament stuff and what was allowed to happen as more of the planning and scheming of God to reach the desired end goal. Including temporarily limiting itself to order to get there.
Nope, it’s beyond brain dead to think that entirely different things could happen and the same result coming out at the end. Can you even hear the argument you’re trying to make?
It’s sad to hear that you had to resort to pretending it was aimed at you and not your argument, specifically so you could clutch your pearls instead of attempting to defend the position of “completely different inputs would result in the same outcome.” It’s a pity, was looking forward to you trying that one but I can’t blame you for opting out of it either. It was a rather silly position to take.
It’s not my fault you couldn’t defend it. Don’t try and blame it on me. Try and have a little bit more integrity next time and own that you can’t defend your position. All the pearl clutching in the world isn’t going to fool anyone there.
We know that you and I wouldn’t exist here and now. That’s a fact.
I’ll bite.
We don’t know what would have been, that’s the point. We only know what “happened”, there’s literally no way to know what could or would have happened. Since we don’t really know, we can’t just say it wouldn’t be the same. I could just as well as an infinite number of other things could.
Yeah, no. Lol.
To me, we can say that different things would result in different outcomes.
Here, if eve hadnt eaten of the fruit, they would still be in the garden of Eden. I don’t know if you’ve looked around but this isn’t the garden of Eden and there are more than 2 people in existence. To me, that’s actually different to what we have now.
I’m sorry you disagree with that.
Whose to say that only Eve could have eaten the fruit. Maybe Adam would’ve eventually be tempted, or maybe they would’ve left on their own, or maybe they would’ve been banished for something else. There’s way too many unknowables to say that something could or couldn’t happen.
Having a sample of one doesn’t say much about the infinite set possibilities. So saying things would be different is just wrong. They could be different and most probably would, but there is no way to guarantee it. It’s unprovable.
This is all assuming we accept the faith based interpretation. If we do not Adam and Eve are just as fictional as Harry Potter and Frodo Bagins, and say nothing about what could’ve happened.
I said eve because she is the one who ate it. It doesn’t matter if it was Adam or eve, only that it was eaten.
There was only one rule in the story. So, no, there was nothing else for which they could be banished.
Honestly, if you really need to die on the hill that completely different things could result in the exact same outcome, despite the literal deviations, then be my guest.
If we’re taking God’s word for it all, then what is now was the preordained outcome of that chess master’s plan.
For all we know a biblically accurate God is doing Xanatos Speed Chess to ensure that the current state of the world is the one true outcome regardless of what happens.
Besides, as we all know from science - there are a lot of different ways to end up with the same end result.
I mean, if you cast your mind back to the story, God had no idea that they had done it, until he saw them. This was yahweeh before he was later made into the omnificent version. He fully intended to keep them there, as is.
As we also all know from science, the more different variables we add, the less likely that will be. Even just a few, let alone the billions of tiny changes it would be if it happened even a day later. It would like the butterfly effect but infinitely greater.
There are some, perhaps somewhat unorthodox, Christian theologies that hold that the Old Testament stuff and what was allowed to happen as more of the planning and scheming of God to reach the desired end goal. Including temporarily limiting itself to order to get there.
Lol that wild. Thanks for letting me know.
nope. it’s impossible to say what the variant “timeline” would look like.
also, none of this can be “facts.” only speculation.
Nope, it’s beyond brain dead to think that entirely different things could happen and the same result coming out at the end. Can you even hear the argument you’re trying to make?
I’m sorry you’re unable to understand and thus resorted to insults. Try to comport yourself better in the future.
It’s sad to hear that you had to resort to pretending it was aimed at you and not your argument, specifically so you could clutch your pearls instead of attempting to defend the position of “completely different inputs would result in the same outcome.” It’s a pity, was looking forward to you trying that one but I can’t blame you for opting out of it either. It was a rather silly position to take.
It’s not my fault you couldn’t defend it. Don’t try and blame it on me. Try and have a little bit more integrity next time and own that you can’t defend your position. All the pearl clutching in the world isn’t going to fool anyone there.
Hey, it’s gonna be ok.
I’m sure that sounded clever in your head at least 👍
you’re just not talking like a human. you just want to fight the world. i’m not your enemy.
have a Merry Christmas.
I disagree with your disagreement with what I said. Now you’ve made that into me wanting to fight the whole world. What a bizzare thing to say.