You can’t reason with people who don’t have the same definitions as you do because reasoning takes a common body of knowledge.

And people who are the propagandized have an instinctual dislike towards people not sharing their same corpus of knowledge: you have to use their own language or chip away the wrong definitions/axioms one by one until the new sets become reliable enough to start building something worthwhile.

Note that this works the inverse way too, which is why we are in such a mess all around the world.

Lif iz hard wif stoopid ppl

Right? It’s like they either been living in cramped farm factories staring at a screen or been working in a soviet gulag since age 8 from what you read online