Yikes, big dog.

How many times you gunna say “you clearly don’t understand” before you just admit that you don’t have the communication skills to talk about it with anyone who doesn’t have intimate knowledge about your specific project and how your soecific company does, or evidently doesn’t, function? Sorry I made you feel bad about yourself by asking questions you couldn’t answer.

Look, you don’t need to admit it to me, this exchange has been heated enough and I get that, but for the love of god please be better the next time you find yourself in a similar situation.

Bruh, I can’t with you lol. Or your dogshit company, either, which apparently has such poor data management that its original plan was to get sales people to ask the fucking developpers to get marketting information for them. Embarrassing.

I love how there’s no possible way for anything to work except for your specific solution and that’s it. Everything else is throwing your hands up in the air and getting mad at people.

My. Guy.

• The copilot agent has access to at least a read only part of the database, right? And this means that it is possible for something to have access to the database, right?
• It generates reports for them using this access to the database, right?
• It knows what each piece of information means because each piece of information comes with some kind of identifier so nothing falls through the cracks, right?
• “Unless a report exists” exactly, so how would that report have been made pre-copilot? This has been my question the entire time. What were people doing in 2018, for example?

What is stopping you from making an interface that a human being can use instead of forcing them to go through a copilot agent? I’m assuming that the database is not a clumsily assorted stack of PDF reports or you would have said something by now(right?). All data would have some way of identifying it(sale instance was for X product in Y location for Z amount at [time], for example) and if you can integrate co-pilot than surely you can integrate something to handle that information, right?

Before the copilot agent, there was no system whatsoever for anyone to make reports because no one had access to the database? So they just hucked information into it and it was lost to time? What if an auditor came through and needed to see things? Did you just say “sorry, no one has access to the database and you’re going to have to wait until LLMs exist and FreedomAdvocate integrates one into the database”?

Look, dude, I’m ok with not understanding something but you haven’t given me any indication that what I’m asking for wouldn’t work. All you’ve said is “no that won’t work” and the most in-depth thing I’ve gotten is that “there are a lot of places to find the info” but never really elaborated on why that’s a significant problem or why co-pilot can handle it so vastly differently(and without missing anything).

Except you obviously did not make your point. In fact, you made the opposite of your point.

You’re going to need to figure out why your language sucks because saying that marketting doesn’t have access to the database enough to filter through information manually but does have access enough to get that information through an LLM is just about the dumbest thing I’ve heard of. They either have access or they don’t, which is it? How come they can only view the information through a fucking chatbot?

And for the love all that is good and holy HOW THE FUCK WAS ANYTHING BEING DONE BEFORE THE AI AGENT?! ANSWER THE VERY SIMPLE QUESTION!

“My example was perfect” then why was it so pathetically simple? You’re trying to show how AI will solve complex issues and you present something that a toddler could sort through. Maybe your database is just organized like dogshit or maybe you have a point but lack any kind of communication skills to the point where you don’t understand that I don’t know the specifics of how your company works/struggles to function.

And for the love of god can you put even the slightest fraction of the effort you’re putting into being an asshole to answer my questions that I’ve asked repeatedly?! How were people handling this data since before your little LLM tool?

Hey dude, I was responding to your incredibly shitty examples. You give me no information and blame for not having information well, that’s a you problem. But I suppose if you understood that concept you’d also understand the problems I’m talking about.

Now, again, if the AI can have access to all that information and identify it correctly then why is it impossible to do what I’m asking? It has to be able to tell the difference somehow, right? And with LLMs being known to have hallucinations and serious misunderstandings it seems rather ridiculous to rely on it for something that you say is so complex that a person cannot do it. You also haven’t answered me, I don’t think, on the topic of what people were doing before the LLM.

There are a lot of key elements you’re dodging here and before you start talking shit maybe start addressing them.

You literally told you built something which would allow an LLM to access the data. In order to be reliable enough the data would have to be appropriately sorted already and there would need to be an interface which the LLMs could use. So you built all this stuff to let the LLM thing work and now you’re looking at me stupid like building an extreme simple filter is some sorta crazy thing and we need a product to do it.

What the hell were people doing before you built your little chatbot? Just neatly sorting information into a black box and throwing into the ocean?

Product X > filter by state > date range. Why is this difficult? Gimme another, it’s mildly entertaining even if it’s not exactly difficult.

So you can’t have a foolproof spreadsheet that just has an option for “refund given” with a date range? Why go through all this AI nonsense? All it’s doing is adding points of failure and giving people the ability to fuck up their prompts.

I’ll take your word for it to not just be saying “no” but I still have to wonder why it needs “AI” and if people are going to build up a reliance on it to the point where they start to not be able to find that info on their own. I mean, hell, like you say they already can’t handle the databases so why are they even fucking around in there anyway/why aren’t they learning how to use them if they’re so important for their jobs?

Those studies aren’t about them feeling less proud, they’re about the degradation of critical thinking skills.

I have repeatedly said that isn’t worth anything largely because it doesn’t do anything I can’t do with relative ease. Why do you think it’s so great? What do you honestly use it for?

Except that anyone who can use it properly can also just do the job without it, and the amount of damage it is doing because it’s freely available to everyone is insane.

You’re completely ignoring all my arguments. This sorta makes sense since your original reply was very “just ignore the bad stuff and it’s good!” but you’re going to have to address those things. I meanc, you did say “they’re bogus” and then not elaborate at all, but I’m assuming that if you have the energy to continuing writing comments then you would also have the energy to do the far more efficient thing and show me why those studies are bogus, right?

Ok but we know that it’s very often wrong and tries too hard to make you feel good instead of actually giving correct answers. It makes up reasons for made-up sayings, often struggles with math, and has a whole host of other issues while acting fully confident in its infallibility. We have several studies that seem to show that its use is having a negative affect on ohr critical thinking skills as well. After all that it doesn’t even provide a service that’s worth anything even if it didn’t come with all those downsides. Using a search engine just isn’t that difficult and AI “art” is a goddamn cancer.

It’s terrible for us and we don’t even need it! No, fuck “AI”. We have a big enough problem with people trying to find the easy way out to such a degree that they refuse to learn how anything works and slapping a big “do it for me” button on everything is just insane. I’m not saying that everything needs to difficult but we are so averse to even the slightest challenge that it leaves us with nothing but a complete lack of basic skills and an assload of insecurity.

How useful is it really? I constantly hear about it being wrong and I’m not so stupid that I can’t handle a search through Wikipedia on my own.

Why should accept this thing that is of such little benefit to my life? Why should I accept this thing that is constantly wrong? Why should I accept this thing that just allows uncreative and insecure people to fill the internet full of garbage?

If you need AI as it is to help you do things then I pity you greatly.