I will never understand the hypocritical surveillance state apologism when it comes to China or Russia on this site.

People get brainwashed to conform, when they don’t like a side they urge to pick another

Chinese government is not trying to oppress their citizens

yes they are

In this case we should indeed report on them because it is not much clear to the public what palantir does and they have ties and contracts with the government

“A surveillance state is needed to beat china who is evil because it’s a surveillance state”

Now what about the numbers for Russian warplanes and Russian nuclear subs? What are your sources for those figures? They surely aren’t found in a wikipedia article about the american military

In the wikipedia article about the russian military

I do notice, however, that you have linked not a single article or source for the claims in these comments. Where are your numbers coming from?

From the wikipedia pages you didn’t even open

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Northrop_B-2_Spirit

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lockheed_Martin_F-22_Raptor

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_aircraft_carriers_of_the_United_States_Navy

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_submarines_of_the_United_States_Navy

It’s not that hard you can compare it yourself, google how many military assets russia have. USA spend a trillion in war each year and as a result they have almost a thousand operative fifth generation planes (for comparison russia has less than 25). USA has about 70 nuclear submarines where russia has 20

Literally all I’m saying is that more expensive doesn’t always mean better quality. That’s literally it

You are right, more expensive doesn’t always mean better quality or more products that’s why I am referring to assets made with these money that show that in this case spending 10x more than everyone else is resulting in a bigger and more advanced army

Information on quantities is minimal, but from what we know China is further along and these fighters have been spotted.

USA has plenty of classified weapons we are not talking about. We are comparing assets we know of that already exists and that can be used to wage war today.

You didn’t answer the question, go ahead and bring up the 10x cheaper russian assets that can match fleets of f22 and f35

China’s 6th gen fighters are further along than the US’s F-47

How many of these china has? Speculated further development of fighters that aren’t operative yet is a better metric to compare war power than US outclassing any other country in military spending for decades?

The US is not destroying Russia

USA pretty much defeated russia in the cold war and they are slowly finishing them as you can see today.

You are replying to a series of comments about NATO not being able to field an actual war against Russia.

if NATO decides to field a war against russia with the war assets they spend trillions on such as hundreds of f22, almost a thousand f35, a hundred nuclear submarines and all the shit they have like the most advanced cyberwarfare weapons in the world, how does russia respond?

Can you please explain how a list of countries with the highest military expenditures is evidence that weapons used by the US aren’t bought/produced for a ridiculous markup?

Again just look at the evidence:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Northrop_B-2_Spirit

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lockheed_Martin_F-22_Raptor

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_aircraft_carriers_of_the_United_States_Navy

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_submarines_of_the_United_States_Navy

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/XKeyscore

These are just some random USA war assets, in case you fail to understand what spending a trillion dollars a year in war gets you.

No, not “next to,” at this point China has surpassed the US and Europe in manufacturing in all but a few specialized fields.

few specialized fields like war tech and industry which is what we are talking about.

Secondly, saying that NATO can’t field war against Russia doesn’t mean that NATO can’t try, or that Russia would single-handedly destroy all of NATO. Russia would win like Vietnam won against the US, by NATO failing to accomplish their goals without nuclear war.

Vietnam war was 60 years ago and nukes are older than that. War has evolved, USA wouldn’t need a single nuke to destroy russia they are already doing it with propaganda and the leverage they have on markets.

Way ahead in missiles.

and behind everything else that is relevant in 2025

US still has crap that Ukraine has no use for. New generations test poorly.

They are giving ukraine crap the same way russia is using crap to fight this war

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_with_highest_military_expenditures

Don’t assume and look at the evidence:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_with_highest_military_expenditures

Chinese industry is some of the most advanced on the planet.

Yes next to america and europe. Your original claim i’m reply to is that “NATO can’t field an actual war against Russia”.

If you want we can compare NATO and russia/china combined and see who has the strongest army and biggest war capabilities.

Industrial level is lower in the US.

We are comparing NATO to russia. I’m talking about US because alone it overpower russia

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manufacturing#List_of_countries_by_manufacturing_output

Keep in mind that while chinese industry produces a lot it is not necessarily the most advanced.

Cost of living is higher in the US

Technological and industrial level is also higher in the US, expect a military widget manufactured there to be more advanced than one manufactured in a country where production is 10x cheaper.

This is true across all fields, plus the lack of industrialization means it’s more difficult to manufacture.

USA and europe do not lack industrialization.

Why are all of your goods made in China, Vietnam, etc?

Why are they not made in russia? They are made in china because it’s cheaper for western companies to produce there and because they can get away with such exploitation. Your goods aren’t military assets.

NATO doesn’t arm its soldiers with trashcans though