Russia had investments and other assets in the EU. First the EU froze their assets, which in itself is a dangerous move because it claims ownership over anothers investments. Now the EU is selling those assets and giving the money to Ukraine. This is directly stealing money from Russia.
If you buy S&P500 stocks and the US decides to “confiscate your assets to give to Donald Trump” then effectively you have been robbed.
Do you call it stealing when the police takes your money after you’ve got pulled over for speeding as well? Or, to more accurately mirror Russia’s actions, drive into someone else’s yard killing and abducting the residents
Neither the EU nor the US are the world’s police. They have absolutely no right to unilaterally declare themselves the world’s policeman. Only the UN has the right to impose sanctions.
There is a well known and clear agreement that if I speed I pay a fine. There are also cases of cops “confiscating” people’s money which I would indeed classify as stealing.
The problem here is that Ukraine is not in the EU and Europe made up a punishment after Russia invaded Ukraine.
Trump too can make up things and sign them into law after you invested your money, giving him the “legal authority” to steal it, but he’s still stealing your money, which is the example I’m giving.
Why do you bring up and compare to Trump? Trump is a monster, a bully and an asshole. I don’t give a flying f about that guy. Both Russia and Trump can be bad
Russia has invaded, raped, killed and abducted. What ever they were entitled to should be forfeited until all the damage they have caused has been paid for both economically and emotionally. They had every chance to get their values back by just not continuing to invade Ukraine
This is about people making up laws which didn’t exist before to confiscate property. The EU did not have any laws about selling off Russian assets if they invaded Ukraine.
Do you have this same problem with the Nuremburg Trials?
Russia dun goofed in Ukraine.
They are already well into the Finding Out portion, and having their financial assets seized/frozen is only part of that
TBH I haven’t read deeply into the details, but my understanding is that what’s actually being taken/removed/paid from this accounts is only the gains/interest. They accounts are “frozen” meaning that their appreciation is frozen — the principal balance stays the same from the date of the freeze. However, the investments still produce income, and this is what’s being seized. I think this is the typical format, and the process is not at all unique to Russia or the conflict that they started.
What ever they were entitled to should be forfeited until all the damage they have caused has been paid for
Then the EU should be giving all their assets away to the countless countries they’ve destroyed over the years, from the Congo to Iraq to Palestine. Oh but no, you’re a bunch of hypocrites who want to enforce a law on others that you won’t follow yourself.
If it was up to me (and a whole lot of others) we would follow them. Our politicians have let our countries depend on other countries to such an extent that they get away with shit like that. It’s sickening. That does not mean that I will stand idly by what Russia is doing. I will also be loud in opposition to what Israel is doing. Or any other atrocities happening. I want peace. I want people to be able to live without fear of bombs falling down on them. Or people shooting them. Whether it be Ukrainians, Palestinians or any other population. Fuck these fucking politicians man
How would you say EU are stealing their money?
Russia had investments and other assets in the EU. First the EU froze their assets, which in itself is a dangerous move because it claims ownership over anothers investments. Now the EU is selling those assets and giving the money to Ukraine. This is directly stealing money from Russia.
If you buy S&P500 stocks and the US decides to “confiscate your assets to give to Donald Trump” then effectively you have been robbed.
Do you call it stealing when the police takes your money after you’ve got pulled over for speeding as well? Or, to more accurately mirror Russia’s actions, drive into someone else’s yard killing and abducting the residents
Neither the EU nor the US are the world’s police. They have absolutely no right to unilaterally declare themselves the world’s policeman. Only the UN has the right to impose sanctions.
That is true. However, when someone is being really bad you do what you can to prevent it
There is a well known and clear agreement that if I speed I pay a fine. There are also cases of cops “confiscating” people’s money which I would indeed classify as stealing.
The problem here is that Ukraine is not in the EU and Europe made up a punishment after Russia invaded Ukraine.
Trump too can make up things and sign them into law after you invested your money, giving him the “legal authority” to steal it, but he’s still stealing your money, which is the example I’m giving.
Why do you bring up and compare to Trump? Trump is a monster, a bully and an asshole. I don’t give a flying f about that guy. Both Russia and Trump can be bad
Russia has invaded, raped, killed and abducted. What ever they were entitled to should be forfeited until all the damage they have caused has been paid for both economically and emotionally. They had every chance to get their values back by just not continuing to invade Ukraine
Do you understand what an example is?
It’s a bad example since they can’t be compared
This is about people making up laws which didn’t exist before to confiscate property. The EU did not have any laws about selling off Russian assets if they invaded Ukraine.
Do you have this same problem with the Nuremburg Trials?
Russia dun goofed in Ukraine.
They are already well into the Finding Out portion, and having their financial assets seized/frozen is only part of that
TBH I haven’t read deeply into the details, but my understanding is that what’s actually being taken/removed/paid from this accounts is only the gains/interest. They accounts are “frozen” meaning that their appreciation is frozen — the principal balance stays the same from the date of the freeze. However, the investments still produce income, and this is what’s being seized. I think this is the typical format, and the process is not at all unique to Russia or the conflict that they started.
Might not be a law, but most people know that if you do bad shit, bad shit happens
So is the EU
You mean like what the EU supports in Israel?
Then the EU should be giving all their assets away to the countless countries they’ve destroyed over the years, from the Congo to Iraq to Palestine. Oh but no, you’re a bunch of hypocrites who want to enforce a law on others that you won’t follow yourself.
If it was up to me (and a whole lot of others) we would follow them. Our politicians have let our countries depend on other countries to such an extent that they get away with shit like that. It’s sickening. That does not mean that I will stand idly by what Russia is doing. I will also be loud in opposition to what Israel is doing. Or any other atrocities happening. I want peace. I want people to be able to live without fear of bombs falling down on them. Or people shooting them. Whether it be Ukrainians, Palestinians or any other population. Fuck these fucking politicians man
The EU is not the fucking world police. This is like some random guy pulling you over and taking your money.
If it was a killer in your neighborhood on the loose, would you respect his possessions?