The U.S. has signalled to President Volodymyr Zelenskiy that Ukraine must accept a U.S.-drafted framework to end the war with Russia that proposes Kyiv giving up territory and some weapons, two people familiar with the matter said on Wednesday.

Archived version: https://archive.is/20251119165732/https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/us-proposals-end-russias-war-involve-ukraine-giving-up-land-some-weapons-sources-2025-11-19/#selection-1273.27-1273.271


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  • huppakee@piefed.social
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    I am so glad there are some influencial Europeans trying to keep him from choosing Putins side. If everbody would’ve let Trump do whatever he wanted we’d all be learning Russian right now.

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      Don’t hold your breath in EU, though. We bend our knees quickly. It’s just fear that makes us sick with Ukraine.

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        Totally true, and lot of bad forces within the EU too. But also good forces, who try to keep Trump on our side. They fail from time to time, but without US weapons Ukraine would have had a lot more casualties. But I am not blind and know there could have been a lot more supplies. If Europe helped more, there would have been a lot less casualties. I didn’t mean to write a ‘eu good, us bad’-type of comment.

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          Lots of bad forces within the EU directly funded and aided by Russia. THIS is the big point. Everyone thinks the shit that started happening in the EU for the past three decades or so is completely organic and that our democracies are intact.

          They’ve been under systematic assault by the Russians as part of their stated god damned plans. All of these right wing extremists and right wing governments have had some Russian special sauce fed to them.

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            Not only Europeans get that special sauce, remember the first time Trump was elected people pointed to Russia? Still makes sense to me.

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              It used to be that people would demand proof for conspiracy theories- well, turns out even if you have proof they refuse to believe it.