The U.S. has signalled to President Volodymyr Zelenskiy that Ukraine must accept a U.S.-drafted framework to end the war with Russia that proposes Kyiv giving up territory and some weapons, two people familiar with the matter said on Wednesday.

Archived version: https://archive.is/20251119165732/https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/us-proposals-end-russias-war-involve-ukraine-giving-up-land-some-weapons-sources-2025-11-19/#selection-1273.27-1273.271


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        Oh I’ve known for a very very long time.

        Just never stops baffling me how blatantly they pretend to be our friends.

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        Indeed, all the Orange cares for is how to praise Putin and make deals with him. Meanwhile is happy to profit from selling weapons to Ukraine.

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          he has epstein files on trump. EPstein has been known to advise PUTIN on TRUMp in 2018, how to handle him. on many occasions after a meeting with putin, TRUMP looks visibly shook.

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            I mean it’s literally a very senior Soviet KGB spy vs a fucking drooling toddler.

            The only time Trump acquiesces is when he can’t handle an actual player. He knows he can’t bullshit and fool actual smart people, so he kisses their asses instead. Extremely typical of fascists. Kick down, kiss up.

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          I am so glad there are some influencial Europeans trying to keep him from choosing Putins side. If everbody would’ve let Trump do whatever he wanted we’d all be learning Russian right now.

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            Don’t hold your breath in EU, though. We bend our knees quickly. It’s just fear that makes us sick with Ukraine.

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              Totally true, and lot of bad forces within the EU too. But also good forces, who try to keep Trump on our side. They fail from time to time, but without US weapons Ukraine would have had a lot more casualties. But I am not blind and know there could have been a lot more supplies. If Europe helped more, there would have been a lot less casualties. I didn’t mean to write a ‘eu good, us bad’-type of comment.

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                Lots of bad forces within the EU directly funded and aided by Russia. THIS is the big point. Everyone thinks the shit that started happening in the EU for the past three decades or so is completely organic and that our democracies are intact.

                They’ve been under systematic assault by the Russians as part of their stated god damned plans. All of these right wing extremists and right wing governments have had some Russian special sauce fed to them.

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                  Not only Europeans get that special sauce, remember the first time Trump was elected people pointed to Russia? Still makes sense to me.

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      What’s the realistic alternative here? At this point it’s quite delusional to think Ukraine is going to get back the lost territories - they’re not. You don’t have to like that, but that’s how it is.

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        Let’s also be realistic and recognize that no agreement with Russia, backed by America is worth a single shit.

        Russia didn’t honour the last no-invasion for nukes deal. They won’t honour the next. The US doesn’t honour anything anymore. They are a bad faith actor with no law, courts or congress and can’t even be counted on to act in its own best interest.

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          There’s zero value in saying let’s not do X because of Y and Z while not suggesting what to do instead. You’re basically rooting for the status quo here, which is death and destruction.

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        The fucking issue is that there is a Russian muppet in the White House, and the same day that fuck waltzed in there, Ukraine started losing a lot more- no money, no weapons, no intel, and now suddenly Russia’s odds are WAY better. Almost as if that was the fucking point installing him in the first place! He was supposed to be president when the invasion happened- he wasn’t, and Ukraine got a lot of help and resources, as it should, but they somehow got him in a second time and now Ukraine is “delusional to think it is going to get back their territories”?

        As far as I am concerned, I am allied with Ukraine. If the USA is suddenly allied with Russia, then USA is also my fucking enemy.

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    It better have some provisions on what happens if Russia decides to “expand” at some point in the future