The U.S. has signalled to President Volodymyr Zelenskiy that Ukraine must accept a U.S.-drafted framework to end the war with Russia that proposes Kyiv giving up territory and some weapons, two people familiar with the matter said on Wednesday.

Archived version: https://archive.is/20251119165732/https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/us-proposals-end-russias-war-involve-ukraine-giving-up-land-some-weapons-sources-2025-11-19/#selection-1273.27-1273.271


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  • Perspectivist@feddit.uk
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    What’s the realistic alternative here? At this point it’s quite delusional to think Ukraine is going to get back the lost territories - they’re not. You don’t have to like that, but that’s how it is.

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      Let’s also be realistic and recognize that no agreement with Russia, backed by America is worth a single shit.

      Russia didn’t honour the last no-invasion for nukes deal. They won’t honour the next. The US doesn’t honour anything anymore. They are a bad faith actor with no law, courts or congress and can’t even be counted on to act in its own best interest.

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        There’s zero value in saying let’s not do X because of Y and Z while not suggesting what to do instead. You’re basically rooting for the status quo here, which is death and destruction.

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      The fucking issue is that there is a Russian muppet in the White House, and the same day that fuck waltzed in there, Ukraine started losing a lot more- no money, no weapons, no intel, and now suddenly Russia’s odds are WAY better. Almost as if that was the fucking point installing him in the first place! He was supposed to be president when the invasion happened- he wasn’t, and Ukraine got a lot of help and resources, as it should, but they somehow got him in a second time and now Ukraine is “delusional to think it is going to get back their territories”?

      As far as I am concerned, I am allied with Ukraine. If the USA is suddenly allied with Russia, then USA is also my fucking enemy.