Locking. The comment section is a perfect summary of why so many people don’t want to be associated with Linux users. I should’ve removed the post outright because it is inflammatory, reactionary, and invites toxicity – evidenced by the fact that the downvotes on dissenting comments are largely made by the same users. I wonder if a pattern might emerge.
There is a discussion to be had about the topic… but it went to exchanging insults and downvoting out of disagreement.
As a European IT admin:
Everyone in HR, finance, sales, management can all be moved to Linux. They all use webinterfaces for all of their work.
Software development, no windows specific software.
Even marketing / image creation… More and more software is ready or available for Linux.
Ignoring this very real option for most of your people is indeed silly these days.
Hell it might be worth having a central windows VM that people can rdp into for that one old windows app.
Fun for you, but certainly not possible for your average company.
HR, finance, sales, management only webinterface they use is Sharepoint. All the rest is done on proprietary software and Excel.
Software development have been creating Access programs because they need to work with some old IBM server. We’d not only have to replace that hardware, we would also have to replace the experts and hire ones with knowledge about the new languages to be used, and convert everything on the servers of course…
Marketing is maybe the easiest, but they will need to get used to new software.
And all of the users will need to follow training to use Linux.
Users complain when a button moves a centimeter, they will definitely complain when their entire OS changes.
So no, it is easier to rebuild an entire company than it is to switch the environment.
I see, so quite an old company then. (Access, IBM server and sharepoint, etc) Not something a newer company would be using.
I can see you would be stuck with that older tech debt. And finding people for that old stuff is harder then finding people that want to use the new stuff.
Teaching people to use Linux? I mean, not much difference between windows and KDE anymore? Just need to know how to log in, and start their software?
In the end, if your company is not able to move and change to a new world / user demands…
I see, so quite an old company then. (Access, IBM server and sharepoint, etc) Not something a newer company would be using.
Oh you sweet sweet summer child
Something tells me that if a city can do it in 2004, so could a company with all the improvements in 2025. And as with the city, the biggest issue will be the management being idiots (corruption) and/or underfunding the IT.
If a company has to treat their employees like delicate flowers who can’t deal with a slightly different interface it’s not the issue with software, but the companies’ training program / policies and unwillingness to invest in them. And it’s not like investments in FOSS IT and your employees wouldn’t pay off, all those proprietary licenses are expensive as hell. See link, the city saved money despite even having to develop whole new tools, acquire licenses and whatnot. Lots of small stuff not necessary today anymore.
Not saying it wouldn’t be a complicated endeavour, but certainly not impossible and definitely one that pays off.
This is one of those situations where “both sides are bad” actually holds weight.
Yes, Linux communities are full of insufferable shitheads who have way too much emotional investment in what is essentially a tool. I onced looked up some information on Youtube about flatpacks to educated myself and ended up watching some moron have a 20 minute meltdown about how they’re “soy and unmanly”. As a Linux user, that is fucking embarassing.
Hardline Windows users are shitheads in their own right, too. If something isn’t handed to them or requires effort beyond dragging and droppping files, it’s proper shit and you’re just an out-of-touch nerd for trying to mainstream this esoteric nonsense. It’s a thought-terminating cliche about Linux and its users that’s about 25 years out of date. I don’t know shit about the terminal, BASH, or what the fuck a GRUB is but I’ve been using Linux Mint for two years now with zero issues. Yes, even when running games.
Easily the worst part of the Linux experience is its community.
It’s like Reddit, or (self aware) cowboys fans.
The rest of the community embarrasses the large majority of us.
Yeah it’s super weird, if you go to a specific forum for help, like cachyos or bazzite, the community is bearable, and sometimes very helpful without being rude. But if you go to a general forum and state you’re having any issues with Linux you’ll be downvoted to hell and told Linux is still better than windows.
People who bitch and moan about Windows yet dismiss any alternative out of hand aren’t “having any issues with Linux.” Their issues are (a) with Windows and (b) not wanting to hear the truth of that being pointed out to them.
I’m not sure why you’re trying to pretend this post is saying something it’s not.
Obviously, being mean to someone making a good-faith effort to improve themselves and solve their problems is not okay, but that’s not what we’re talking about here.
It’s pretty hard to fit all of what you just said into a meme. For example your meme does not say that windows users are “dismissing any alternative out of hand”. It says windows users that refuse to switch. Maybe they hate windows but they literally must use Fusion 360 or AutoDesk or Meshmixer or RealityCapture or one of the numerous other software options that just do not work on windows.
Anyway, if what your meme is actually about is people that only use the browser and then refuse to switch but still constantly complain then yeah you’re dead on.
It’s pretty hard to fit all of what you just said into a meme.
I see that now!
Anyway, if what your meme is actually about is people that only use the browser and then refuse to switch but still constantly complain then yeah you’re dead on.
My meme is indeed sort of about that, but it’s even more about pushing back on the other thread and similar sentiments, where their flying monkeys defend their useless complaining and then try to make us out as the bad guys for responding in any way short of wallowing in their misery with them.
Interestingly it was more or less the same on Reddit as well.
I mean that part makes sense. This is essentially the exact same community. Linux users will spread to any “general” Linux community on the web.
You mean the communities where the rules forbid asking newbie questions because people visit them to learn about new developments and inevitable FOSS dramas?
No I’m talking about complaining about the problems you’re having with Linux not asking for help with anything. It’s literally happened in this exact community here, where people ask what issues people encounter with Linux, and if I (or others) say I have any issues I get downvoted to hell.
And that’s why they don’t switch to Linux.
I’m talking about after they refuse to help themselves. They want their learned helplessness and Microsoft stockholm syndrome validated, and fuck that!
Insufferable
I know, right? People who wallow in their problems instead of working to solve them are insufferable, and people who scold us for trying to help are even worse!
Proposing a “solution” that was never a possibility in the first place isn’t helping either.
I want Omnissa (VMWare) Horizon Client to support Wayland. Until then, while I have to boot into Windows for one thing, I might as well boot into Windows for everything.
Maybe next year will be the year of the Linux Desktop.
I’d rather use x11 than windows. But you do you.
Yeah, my monitors didn’t work under Ubuntu X11. At least on PopOS, that just worked.
Why are people ratioing this purely subjective take? I’ve had builds that didn’t get along with various peripherals. That’s like a super common refrain from people with a great many distros.
Heck, that can even happen with Windows.
My Logitech F710 never worked right with Windows because the driver’s power saving feature doesn’t mesh well with Windows 10’s power saving feature, causing dropped inputs. No such problems under Linux.
Not everything works everywhere. People are used to how things don’t work with Windows and learning how things don’t work differently with a Linux distro is annoying because you learn by running into problems. If you have people to switch over and have a good time you have to help than through this.
Ok, but my point is that, if you want them to switch to Linux and because you like it and seem to hate Windows, I think that’s a reasonable assumption, treating them poorly will not make that better for anyone. They won’t want to put forth the effort and as a primarily Windows user and having tried Linux on many occasions, I can say it can be a daunting task especially when you need to use the command line. In the past I can honestly say that I have had a lot of help from very knowledgeable and friendly Linux users. But please don’t deny that Linux users aren’t just a little bit elitist.
In fact I can already picture the current Linux community complaining about the state of Linux if it were to skyrocket in popularity. Suddenly it would be like, all these stupid Windows users coming to Linux, ruining the experience. Companies trying to profit off of it. I liked it better when it was a small community.
Did you actually see the thing this was posted in response to? It was about scolding Linux users for even politely suggesting switching, which is the bare minimum to even begin to try to help solve the complainers’ real problem (corporate enshittification) instead of just the symptom du jour they were complaining about at any given moment.
Don’t scold us for trying to help you and then have the utter fucking gall to try to police our tone instead of your own!
I don’t want them to switch. I don’t care if you use windows or not. It’s you or them who have to suffer windows not me. Why should I care? Switch to linux or don’t. Means nothing to me.
I don’t switch to linux because I need to use “breakout rooms” in Teams on a daily basis and they disabled that for linux.
WTF?
I mean, my work PC is managed by the company and thus a Windows device, but why disable that feature? Yes, it somewhat makes sense if you see it like “we don’t want other OS to have all features to make costumers less likely to switch” BUT Teams on Mac has some unique features that haven’t been ported to windows and are still exclusively available on Mac, so…?!
