• HugeNerd@lemmy.ca
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    6 days ago

    You mean the leisure society we could have built when we started sucking cubic miles of oil out of the ground?

    Good luck with that.

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        5 days ago

        Right, which is productivity and wealth since that means you are self reliant or can help those who are not

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          It’s not though because people exploit you for your labour. People like Bezos aren’t multibillionares because they work 10000x harder than a minimum wage worker, they get that wealth by exploiting others. And people like him don’t take the first few million and retire, they hoard all that wealth because people who are willing to exploit people to thay degree and make people piss in bottles aren’t going to be people who give a shit about helping other people.

          We could live in a society where you’re free to work a little harder and be rewarded for it because you have to ability to do so and any extra cash you earnt could go to helping those less fortunate who aren’t able to work as much as you do.

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            The more successful you are the less you’re exploited. That’s a piece that pisses me off how the left keeps new generations hobbled their entire lives. So yes the harder you’re work means you are rewarded if you choose the right careers which is the point. I’ve met so many Lefty’s who refuse to pick a good career. Like 35 year old workers in the service industry who choose to be there that are angry they’re not granted more wages or benefits. I wish the left would adopt more of the attitude on the right which is just work hard.

            • FridaySteve@lemmy.world
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              But having a full time job means you’re successful, doesn’t it? Or do you believe there are classes of full time workers who don’t deserve to make a living wage?

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                  2 days ago

                  Why not answer the question?

                  You seem to think there are jobs that need to be done where the workers deserve to be exploited.

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    6 days ago

    But our worth is already not tied to our protuctivity. It’s tied to our perceived importance. Whatever the fuck that means.

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          6 days ago

          Thanks but you and whoever else “we” is valuing me doesn’t pay my bills or help me reach my goals.

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            That’s… literally the point? We want socialism, which means we want to help pay your bills and support you to reach your goals. That’s what we want for everyone.

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              6 days ago

              Great. How does that help me right now? You have no power to change society. If anything we’re going backwards. We’re not even a meritocracy like the original comic suggests. Comments like that are just empty platitudes.

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                “You have no power to change society.” He said as global uprising of socialist communities continued fighting in union.

                What do you think we have been doing the past 100 years?

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                  Losing? Trump is ripping everything out at the roots and nobody is doing a fucking thing about it other than post snarky comments on the internet.

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    “There is a time when the operation of the machine becomes so odious, makes you so sick at heart, that you can’t take part! You can’t even passively take part! And you’ve got to put your bodies upon the gears and upon the wheels … upon the levers, upon all the apparatus, and you’ve got to make it stop! And you’ve got to indicate to the people who run it, to the people who own it, that unless you’re free, the machine will be prevented from working at all!” - Mario Savio

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    You can try to change it… Put all your energy into it, until you’re burnt out… and then you can finally find your place in this machine!

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        A big part of the problem is that we don’t measure externalities well. Like teachers and artists produce way more value than they’re paid for. Instead we only reward value that can be directly measured by your boss, and that value is compensated at as low a level as the boss can get away with.

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          Like teachers and artists produce way more value than they’re paid for.

          They also receive more non-monetary satisfaction from their work. It balances out.

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            It really doesn’t. I’m sure that satisfaction exists, but when your pay doesn’t always let you eat, it’s hard to stay put for the satisfaction.

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                  I understand that once a person has started a career, switching to a totally different career comes at a high price, so I suppose that instead I should ask “Why do you think that a person would choose to become a teacher, if he didn’t expect the satisfaction of teaching to make up for the relatively low pay?” The pay isn’t a secret and teaching generally requires a college education, which implies the opportunity to pick a different major and then start a different career.

                  I knew a woman from a poor background who was the first person in her family to go to college. She chose a major in English and a minor in Women’s Studies. I’m not saying that English majors can never get well-paying jobs, but I come from a “you can pick any career you want - doctor or lawyer” background so I was very surprised by her decision. Why would a person who didn’t have any money pick to study something that isn’t great for earning money? But she wasn’t stupid - she really liked English literature… Maybe she ended up working as a teacher.